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#1 User is offline   jhchan Icon

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Posted 21 September 2005 - 09:22 AM

Guys/Gals,
Below is a little letter I am sending to Nissan regarding a recent horrible experience I had at Quirk Nissan in Quincy, MA. Unfortunately or not I may have to continue to go there since they are right down the street from me...


Nissan North America
Executive Department
PO Box 191
Gardena, CA 90248

Dear Sir or Madam,

I am writing to alert you of a recent experience I had at Quirk Nissan in Quincy, MA while servicing my 2004 Nissan 350Z track model on August 24, 2005.

I want to start off by saying that my immediate family and I are loyal Nissan customers who have purchased 4 vehicles in the last 5 years. My father owns a 2000 Maxima and a 2001 Sentra. I myself own a 2000 Sentra and a 2004 350Z track model. We always are quick to recommend Nissan and Infiniti vehicles as we love your products. I had issues with the initial purchase of my vehicle from Johnson Nissan in Kingston, NY. My original order was placed back on June 2004. After checking up with the status of my order after 3 months I was told the car they received was produced by the factory in the wrong color (Silver) when I specifically ordered Dayton Blue. Because of this foul up I was forced to re-order the vehicle and had to wait until the end of November 2003 to take delivery of my vehicle. Three months later then ordered. I have also had numerous problems with quality on my 2000 Sentra SE 2.0 which was assembled in Mexico. This includes but was not limited to replacement of the engine due to radiator failure at my full cost. There was no warning indication on the dash indicator lights nor did the temperature gauge go up. Rust has also developed on the body for which my claim was denied. I am severely disappointed with the quality of my 2000 Sentra.

However, after this recent experience my view has been even more severely diminished to your brand and the service which is provided by your dealerships.

On August 24, 2005 I brought my 2004 350Z to Quirk Nissan in Quincy, MA, where I now live, to get service done in regards to the tire feathering and alignment/toe adjustment issues for which I received a letter from Nissan. This was to be done free of charge and the car was to be returned to me later that day. When dropping off my 350Z I always request service personnel review the condition of the exterior of my vehicle before handing them the keys. This was also done on this and all occasions I left the car with the dealership for service. Upon picking up the vehicle I inspected the condition of the exterior. To my HORROR I discovered that both of my front rims were damaged. The Rays Engineering forged track rims were severely damaged on front right. Half of the outer edge of the rim was run into a curb and metal flake was still visible on the new tires which were mounted. The front left also had noticeable scratch marks from the tire being mounted. The interior surface of both rims were also scratched where the technician removed the wheels weights to rebalance the wheel. It appeared as if they were crudely removed with a screw driver. Please see enclosed pictures of damage to the front rims.

The customer service person obviously did not re-inspect the condition of my vehicle before returning it to me or they were attempting to return it to me with knowledge of the damage. The same can be said for the technician who performed the work on my vehicle. Upon discovering this I immediately informed the service manager Gary Lee Cross. He came out and inspected the vehicle and at first offered only to repair the rims. The front right rim was not repairable in my opinion. After several phone calls I was able to convince the service manager to replace the rim due to their error. The front left rim would be repaired. I would not accept anything less then a new rim due to the severe damage caused by the service department. Also upon driving the vehicle the alignment was off and there was rattling felt through the steering wheel when going over bumps and uneven pavement.

In the ensuing days leading up to having my right rim replaced and my left rim repaired the alignment and rattling issues seemed to worsen. I finally felt that the state of the steering and alignment may be deteriorating and decided to take it upon myself to perform a visual inspection underneath the vehicle. To my surprise I discovered another example of dangerous gross negligence. While inspecting the tie rod connecting to the front left wheel I discovered that the locknut which connects the end of the tie rod to the wheel area was not connected and floating on the tie rod. This area is usually adjusted during an alignment and the technician must have forgotten to connect the lock nut to keep the tie rod secured. In the worse case scenario the tie rod end could have backed out and disconnected from the wheel this could have caused a severe accident resulting in severe injury! I had already driven several hundred miles with the car in this condition and did not feel safe driving it after discovering this error.

Upon returning to Quirk Nissan on September 12, 2005, I alerted the service manager of the tie rod issue and he was speechless after I showed the problem to him. He said it would be fixed and I again left the vehicle in their care for the right front rim to be replaced, left rim to be repaired, alignment to be readjusted and the suspension to be re-inspected. I again requested their service personnel to inspect the exterior condition of the vehicle to show it had no damage of any kind. When I returned to pick up the vehicle later that evening I discovered that the left front rim was not repaired correctly. There was still damage which was not repaired and I was not satisfied with the work done. The service manager Gary Lee Cross again agreed to take care of it on another visit.

I then proceeded to take the vehicle out for a short test drive near the dealership. After driving the vehicle for a few minutes I noticed that my Alpine car stereo was now not operational. I always turn the radio off before leaving it with the dealership and now it was in a state which was stuck on and unresponsive. This tells me that someone in the dealership must have touched the radio in order to turn it on and somehow something else was done to it which caused it to malfunction. I immediately returned to the dealership less then 15 minutes later to alert them of this issue. The service manager proceeded to argue that there was no way that the radio could have been damaged while the vehicle was with them. He then proceeded to try to remedy the issue by disconnecting the battery and reconnecting it. This did not cause the radio to resume operation and I still have a malfunctioning stereo in the car as I write this.

Unfortunately I did not go over every single part of my car to show to the dealership that it was all operational before leaving it with them. However, I do not feel that I should feel a need to worry about my vehicle to such a degree.

During the next day or two driving the vehicle I felt that the steering effort or amount of force required to turn the wheel felt higher. The steering felt heavier like there existed more resistance. I brought this to the attention of the service manager and he begrudgingly said he would investigate and was not exactly pleasant.

Sadly this is not the end of the problems which I experienced servicing my 350Z. The third time I had to return was to have the left front rim re-repaired and steering checked on September 14, 2005. On this visit while inspecting the exterior condition of the vehicle the service person and I discovered a key sticking out from under my hood. While disconnecting the battery on the last visit on September 12, 2005 the service manager left a key from another vehicle under the hood and forgot to take it before closing it. In the days in between I drove over 100 miles with the key present under my hood. If the key had lodged in the fan or other engine part the results could have been catastrophic. After bringing this to the attention of the service manager he apologized and took the key back and paid no attention to the severity of the possible implications.

After 21 days, 3 visits to the dealership, 1 new rim, 1 repaired rim, I now have 2 new front tires, and 1 broken $800 Alpine radio. To be fair the service manager did offer to take care of a small repair on my other vehicle and did follow through on his promise to repair and replace my rims. However, I feel that it is INEXCUSABLE to have to go through this ordeal all for a simple change of tires and alignment. I now have a broken $800 radio to show for my troubles along with having to arrange transportation and taking hours off from my job to deal with these issues.

I am an active member on several Nissan 350Z clubs including www.g350z.com, www.my350z.com, and www.350zmotoring.com. For the past 2 years I have participated in countless meets and events including our annual New England 350Z and G35 meet on Cape cod Massachusetts for which there were over 70 vehicles in attendance. The 350Z has been a joy to own with the exception of the dealings with Nissan dealerships. I will be posting a similar explanation of my experiences to share with my fellow 350Z owners. This experience has left me with an extremely soured view of Nissan products and service and I am sad to say has changed my feeling on purchasing another Nissan vehicle in the future.

Please see enclosed photos and service receipts for reference.




Sincerely,

James Chan

This post has been edited by jhchan: 22 September 2005 - 02:42 PM

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#2 User is offline   neosoul Icon

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Posted 21 September 2005 - 10:52 AM

this is just redicolous, but it is unfortunately not unheard of. nissan has been notorious with bad service in general and at least fortunately, you are not dealing with leasing issues.

this 'in-and-out' moto with no regard to detail is just absolute blasphamy. thanks for bringing your experience to light as i've suspected such service delivery from that place long ahead of time.

now at least the service + mechanics involved will feel some heat.

so far the 350z stands as 'great car, sans service'


hope this all gets sorted out...

tony
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Posted 21 September 2005 - 11:34 AM

HOLY CRAP!!! you have now got me scared to bring the Z in for the tires...these examples are precisely why I don't go to the dealer, even for oil changes, unless it will be free due to warranty...I will give them a shot, as I am sure one is as bad as the next..and they won the opportunity due to the last visit I had...not only did Lee Cross do the repairs, but, I mentioned to him that I had the stereo looked at and now the top row of buttons on the center console were pushed in...AND...he pulled out a screw driver, took the center console apart and fixed right there as I watched!!!! I was both shocked and very pleased....I tend to rank dealer mechanics right up there with Jiffy Lube technicians and their lack of concern for the vehicle and customer satisfaction...I go to a 2-man garage for my oil changes and will let them do anything that they tell me they can handle...I have brought vehicles to them in the past for something expensive, and had them tell me that I only needed a simple fix at substantially less cost/profit for them...crossing my fingers that I am able to make it thru this tire change and to not have to go back there again..our Maxima is at 34K and will be out of warranty range in a few weeks.

I hope Nissan NA gives you some form of satisfaction other than lip service
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Posted 21 September 2005 - 11:44 AM

That shi#t always happens to every car company.. sorry dude
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Posted 21 September 2005 - 01:08 PM

Well I am SOL on the radio since its my word against theirs. It really sucks on my hour commute with no tunes! I am debating if I should go back or not. Start over with another dealership or at least going to Quirk they may hate me but hopefully they will be even more careful with my car.
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Posted 21 September 2005 - 01:10 PM

Yeah, and unfortunately Z's like to fall apart...mine's already started :lol:
Guess its the price you pay for a cheap sportscar :mellow:


-ian
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Posted 21 September 2005 - 01:16 PM

View PostAtmosphere, on Sep 21 2005, 01:10 PM, said:

Yeah, and unfortunately Z's like to fall apart...mine's already started :lol:
Guess its the price you pay for a cheap sportscar :mellow:
-ian


What happened to yours? Mine has been fine so far besides the things the dealership have done to it!!!
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Posted 21 September 2005 - 04:27 PM

JC --

Sorry to hear about that man! I had the same issue with my wheels at the Nissan Center in Brockton. They damaged both of my front wheels the first time I had the front tires replaced for feathering. The second time I brought it to them, they told me Nissan was not going to cover a 2nd set of tires. I had to fight with Nissan for over a week to get it resolved. It was horrid.

The Nissan Center is bad news as well, so stay far far away. Their techs are horrible and their services is equally as bad. The Service Manager would only let 1 tech work on my car because of the previous incident. He was resonable, but I had to book him 2 weeks out. Craziness. That is part of the reason my Z had an early departure. Sadly, its a big part of why I didn't end up with a G35 when I got rid of the Z, it was the fear of the service after the sale.

Keep us posted of Nissan's response. I would be curious to hear what they have to say!! Hopefully they will be quick to resolve it. Have you called Nissan directly with your concerns? Sometimes they are pretty responsive....
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Posted 21 September 2005 - 04:46 PM

I haven't called nissan directly because I don't expect to get anywhere. The rust claim I mentioned on the sentra worked out that way too. I was 1 month out of rust warranty for what looks like an obvious factory defect. Rust bubbling from the inside out. They took pics and sent to nissan and after they reviewed it I played phone tag for weeks with some woman who reviewed my case only to hear her say write to the nissan executive department. That was the only thing they could offer me other then a couple hundred dollars off if I purchased a new vehicle. FAT CHANCE!

Hopefully this gets some sort of response from nissan. I also have to fill out the survey they sent me too. That should be fun!
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Posted 21 September 2005 - 04:54 PM

Wow...sorry to hear about all that! I knew that you had problems with Quirk screwing up your rims but the radio too now? I'm kind of nervous to go over there too now despite the fact that my Dad knows the owner.
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Posted 21 September 2005 - 05:02 PM

View PostZchickMA, on Sep 21 2005, 04:54 PM, said:

Wow...sorry to hear about all that! I knew that you had problems with Quirk screwing up your rims but the radio too now? I'm kind of nervous to go over there too now despite the fact that my Dad knows the owner.


Actually Maria I was going to ask you to get a copy of this over to Mr. Quirk at some point. I plan on sending this over to Nissan as well.
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Posted 21 September 2005 - 07:38 PM

Wow...I knew you were having problems with the wheels, but I didn't realize you had all this other shyte that went down too. That was a very well-written letter; hopefully it'll get NNA's attention.

This is exactly why I've been taking mine to an independent shop for all the major non-warranty work (30k service, etc.). I trust my dealer enough for oil changes, but anything other than that makes me a little nervous.
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Posted 22 September 2005 - 09:55 AM

That sucks, hopefully they work it out for you. I've only been there a few times now but the first time they had to order some parts for me for the window streak fix and they forgot to order them until I reminded them 3 weeks later.When I got the car back from being fixed the windows were not visably aligned right and both windows would leak in the rain.I went back to have it fixed and I got in the car and both door panels were not on properly and had to go back for them to fix again. I could have done it myself but I didnt know if they broke them or not.
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Posted 22 September 2005 - 10:03 AM

View Postac32cl, on Sep 22 2005, 09:55 AM, said:

That sucks, hopefully they work it out for you. I've only been there a few times now but the first time they had to order some parts for me for the window streak fix and they forgot to order them until I reminded them 3 weeks later.When I got the car back from being fixed the windows were not visably aligned right and both windows would leak in the rain.I went back to have it fixed and I got in the car and both door panels were not on properly and had to go back for them to fix again. I could have done it myself but I didnt know if they broke them or not.


Wow man thats horrible. I guess I was right for not having them do that window TSB. It marks up my tint too... I have it also on my 2004 but I didn't want them tearing into the door. Plus since I had Nazar do my stereo and I went back in to fix some things I thought they might give me a hard time if anything went wrong.
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Posted 23 September 2005 - 08:49 AM

Finally got some pictures online:

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Posted 23 September 2005 - 10:01 AM

View Postjhchan, on Sep 23 2005, 09:49 AM, said:


OMG those wheels look bad! I would just want brand new wheels. Or better yet cash to buy the oem wheels from another dealer and then run off and buy some aftermarket wheels. B)
I hope every thing works out, i don't even trust my dealer to change my oil, but I'm a little crazy. :rolleyes:
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Posted 23 September 2005 - 12:09 PM

totally outrageous, definitely not the way to operate a Nissan franchise.

A more or less similar issue happened to me at a Portchester Nissan workshop; after replacing my clutch & flywheel they totally forgot to reinstall a support bracket. I even returned to the service station and informed them of excessive vibration. I was told that it was normal that I needed to get the clutch and fly wheel settled in/run-in.

Yeah right, I took the car to Andrew at performance Motorsports, and low and behold, he informed me that a bracket was missing. And, what do you know it was sitting on a table st the dealership service station at Portchester.

The part that really got me was when the chief machanic yelled to the service manager, I told you (referring to the service manager) that it belonged to the zee with the HREs. :o

That service manager was the pits, he was rude, obnoxious, presumptuous and a total idiot.

Before I left, I turned to his crew and said, "Is this how he treats nissan customers." Rest was history.

But your, issues appear to be much more extreme.......

Good luck, keep us updated on Nissan's response.

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Posted 23 September 2005 - 04:02 PM

OH-MY-GOD.

I better go check on my car that's been in the shop since Monday, 8/1/05. And she's only there for suspension work. I wonder what horror will be in store for me.

-Will
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Posted 24 September 2005 - 02:23 AM

I am supposed to be taking the Z in for tires/alignment on Monday....I've got to say, I am a little apprehensive and even considering living with the obnoxious tire roar until I can scrape some cash for new rubber and/or finding a tire shop I can trust to swap my tires from right rim to left rim every 6k or so...does anyone know if Dent Sport Garage can do the tire swap?...I just have stock 17's but can't afford having them damaged/replaced...swapping the rubber is sounding much more appealing
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Posted 24 September 2005 - 07:01 AM

Wow G,
That is horrible. They probably didn't want to deal with you much because you had aftermarket goodies installed at their shop (unless they were nismo). I can't believe how bad some of these shops can be. I'm actually surprised they didn't mention the chatter my car has at low RPM's because of the JWT flywheel. They probably wanted to shut up so I didn't blame them for anything else too!


Will,
You are so protective of your baby and its been gone for over a month!!! I was sweating when Nazar had my car for over a week! I hope it comes back working and dent/scratch free.


Walter,
I would say at this point if they mess up another car then they are going to have a lot of h*** to pay. Also I don't think they will give you the tires and let you do it elsewhere. Supposedly it also involves an alignment which requires special equipment to fully remedy the problem. The new tires also have a new tread pattern. BTW if you have any problems let me know. I may have something in the works to address my issues and another story of neglegence would just push it over the top. Sully also has had problems at Quirk doing more major work. Unfortunately I recommended them because I had not had a problem until now. They did major work (engine sawp) on my Sentra with only a few small issues which is expected for such a major job. I guess mentioning my name now probably does no one any good so might as well just go in and see what happens and let me know if you have any issues :blink:

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